In part two, Lebo Madiba takes the development agenda with Fumani Mthembi a few notches up. The conversation meanders around challenges associated with leadership within Africa, agitating the global order of corporate finance with regards to ESG related issues and the optimism that grounds Knowledge Pele. Also, in rockstar fashion, Mthembi speaks about Knowledge Pele’s affiliation with the band Coldplay to further sustainability.