In Part 2 of the conversation with Secretary-General hopeful for the Position of International Maritime Organization, AMB. Nancy Karigithu, Lebo Madiba doubles down on the candidates dream for multilateralism. Karigithu spurs the need to create meaningful clusters of partnerships in order for the IMO to be relevant in the modern day. The conversation also detours to what it will mean to have a clear sighted and organised woman to run the IMO.